tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post5273423361042903658..comments2023-09-22T11:22:56.777-07:00Comments on /dev/dump: Jack of all trades, master of noneAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15319934747521320351noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post-32805179370369028752009-11-17T21:33:06.123-08:002009-11-17T21:33:06.123-08:00Sorry, I mispoke when I said
"These days, mo...Sorry, I mispoke when I said<br /><br />"These days, most people live in the first world"<br /><br />What I really mean was that most of our user base is in the first world. (Or countries which are closing the technology gap sufficiently quickly enough to be considered such.) I know that we have users in places in Latin America, Africa, and parts of Asia that are less fortunate and might not have reliable broadband or be able to afford a DVD drive, but I still think these users comprise a minority.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15319934747521320351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post-22499201531970041222009-11-17T21:29:43.351-08:002009-11-17T21:29:43.351-08:00Thanks for the correction... I guess I made a bad ...Thanks for the correction... I guess I made a bad assumption.<br /><br />So why is it then, that the Live CD is approximately three times the size of the AI media? I guess I'm missing something. (Maybe its the uncompressed nature of the software that you have to use to run it?)<br /><br />I understand that there are folks for whom even 700MB is too much.<br /><br />One question springs into my mind though: if they can't afford the disk space or network bandwidth for a "real" DVD based install, but I guess I kind of take issue with the idea that this represents some significant majority (or even a significant minority) of our users.<br /><br />These days, most people live in the first world, and frankly a significant percentage of our users probably have a lot more disk and even better network connectivity than I have.<br /><br />I guess optimizing our main content delivery vehicle for some folks in Vietnam or Bora bora, where their packets are delivered by specially trained tuna fish, and still rely on cast-off PCs for their main computing, seems ... unfortunate. (Especially with the particularly high memory requirements we have for OpenSolaris, which basically exclude most of that ancient hardware anyway.)<br /><br />I hope that we are not aiming for the Lowest Common Denominator here. I think folks who really have Lowest Common Denominator needs are probably more likely to be happy with the likes of NetBSD, which can still run on Sun 2 and Vaxen.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15319934747521320351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post-90467029042109382382009-11-17T14:06:24.657-08:002009-11-17T14:06:24.657-08:00Sadly, this post runs off the rails in paragraph 3...Sadly, this post runs off the rails in paragraph 3 due to your lack of knowledge on the live CD. There is no duplication of the form you're postulating here: the live CD installs by copying its contents, not running package operations. Binary Crusader has it right.<br /><br />The size requirements for the CD are based on the expectations of the market that OpenSolaris is designed to reach, which you're frankly not all that representative of. Download speed, cost, and hardware capability are all issues that are actually important in many parts of the world, and thus the constraints we're operating under there. Solaris Next may have different requirements that lead to different combinations of capabilities, but the ones for the live CD are actually quite clear. It's mastered one trade, and the reviews and volume of the distribution speak for themselves.<br /><br />We'd welcome contributions to help make it better once you've taken the time to get familiar with the requirements and the implementation.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10268333464531311069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post-55696834488754217082009-11-17T08:09:16.376-08:002009-11-17T08:09:16.376-08:00I think it is just a matter of time before we have...I think it is just a matter of time before we have a live DVD. The number of systems with only CD capability is declining and the need to put more software on the live media is increasing. I would think going to a live DVD would make things a lot easier for those who produce the distributions. Your suggestion of an install only CD might make sense for the few systems who can't handle a DVD or for those who only need the system for installation. That said, I wonder how long we'd really need a CD-based distribution at all.Rand S. Huntzingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01776078554169144808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post-90341656674686382692009-11-17T06:43:49.895-08:002009-11-17T06:43:49.895-08:00Great overview and summary of ways to improve the ...Great overview and summary of ways to improve the distribution! Having both a feature-rich live DVD/USB ( or hybrid ISO ) and a simplified, package-rich, install-only CD would be very beneficial.Michael Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06287331995903071075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post-59879083652239963862009-11-17T05:59:44.852-08:002009-11-17T05:59:44.852-08:00sounds like a good idea to me =).
iirc freebsd di...sounds like a good idea to me =).<br /><br />iirc freebsd differentiate between live & installation cd & i never heard any complaints about that.philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03848336313503707726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post-9228455216572276592009-11-17T03:31:15.868-08:002009-11-17T03:31:15.868-08:00Couldn't agree more! The mail programs probabl...Couldn't agree more! The mail programs probably serve as the best examples of unnecessary crap that fills the live cd which is now forced to be a live DVD :-|<br /><br />Apps on the live cd should have utility (example gparted, device driver utility)...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10090082326494720616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post-15754718659718889812009-11-17T02:20:49.021-08:002009-11-17T02:20:49.021-08:00Are you certain about the two copies of each packa...Are you certain about the two copies of each package?<br /><br />At last check, the LiveCD does a CPIO install of exactly what is on the CD; there are no 'packages' per se.<br /><br />It does some special loopback mounting logic magic for this all to work right.<br /><br />As for the two mailers (Thunderbird, Evolution), that's being resolved.<br /><br />It's a sad state of affairs really since Evolution is tightly integrated with the GNOME environment while Thunderbird is not, but Thunderbird is arguably much faster than Evolution.<br /><br />As for the other things, I'm not in Sun marketing so I can't tell you what they were thinking :)Binary Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17915156339129922872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7528831701633643336.post-29950306451706235932009-11-17T00:05:10.752-08:002009-11-17T00:05:10.752-08:00Ubuntu and Debian can just copy the contents of th...Ubuntu and Debian can just copy the contents of the Live CD when installing instead of having to use packages - surely IPS should be able to support that as well? Get rid of the duplication and everything you want fits on the one CD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com